2012-06-25 — Chinese troops should go after Philippine ships and fishermen who go near the disputed Scarborough shoal, a Chinese navy official said.
Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) Information Expert Committee, said this should be done to “Filipino vessels that hang around in the lagoon and don’t leave,” according to state-owned news agency China News Service (CNS).
Yin said Chinese naval troops should board and search Philippine government ships and private fishing vessels.
He said this is already being done by the Philippines on Chinese fishing ships.
Yin said the “Philippines has not yet returned 24 Chinese fishing boats it is holding,” referring to Chinese boats intercepted in Philippine territory in October last year.
Yin, who is described by the CNS as a military expert, said Chinese troops “must try to maintain restraint, not force, not hurt people,” when going after Philippine ships found in waters near or at Scarborough shoal.
He said Chinese government ships should conduct more regular patrols in the waters off Scarborough to esnure the safety of Chinese fishing boats.
Yin told Communist Party publication the People’s Daily on Thursday that China’s navy will not hesitate to use deadly force against its enemies.
“Our navy has the absolute ability and the absolute confidence to use arms to defend our country’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and maritime rights. We’re just waiting for the order,” he said.
President Benigno Aquino said earlier in the week that the Philippines may redeploy ships to the shoal to counter the presence of foreign vessels.
Philippine ships were forced to pull out from the area last weekend due to bad weather.
“If there is a presence in our territorial waters, then we will redeploy. But if there is no other presence of other vessels that might impinge on our sovereignty, there is no need to deploy and they can go back to their normal routine of safeguarding — the Coast Guard for instance — our coastlines from… [the] wet season,” Aquino told reporters.
He said the decision to redeploy will be based on China’s moves to occupy the area.
Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said Saturday that several Chinese ships have been seen again around Scarborough shoal.
Gazmin, in a text message to ANC, said the Chinese vessels were spotted by a Philippine Air Force plane that was deployed to conduct a reconnaissance mission over the disputed area.
He did not say how many Chinese ships are now at Scarborough.
How can you sink the only converted frigate of the Philippines? You sink the Gregorio del Pilar is like sinking the Hamilton who has a 46 year history to the Americans. Do you think your destroyers and frigates will get away sinking America’s most glorified Cutter? Let us see if you can back up your threats. It is just Chinese Navy blubbermouthing!
That reasoning is pretty damn flawed. us wouldnt risk war with China, especially over a ship they gave away.
Yes it was given away but a Mutual Defense Treaty is tied with it. Your leaders must be lunatics for them to sink the ex-Hamilton. Obama might even use the war with China to solve two things – 1) get reelected this November 2) loose all its investments in the US. By the way, thanks for the 12 B investments last month on our T-Bills. Fight with us and kiss it goodbye!
That mutual defense treaty is just a piece of a paper. us had a mutual defense treaty with south vietnam, it had a mutual defense treaty with the ROC. And in both cases, when they were caught in a naval battle with China. The us just sat back and watched.
Since when did the US had an MDT with Vietnam? And when did China invade ROC? You’re not dreaming are you?
“Date January 18 – 20, 1955
Location Yijiangshan Islands, Chekiang, China
Result PLA victory”
“The Battle of Yijiangshan Islands (一江山島戰役) was a conflict between forces of the Republic of China Army and the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China”
China would crush you guys, us would have no choice but to watch.
Tienfei: Just like the chicoms would’nt risk a war with the US, their biggest export customer. Goes both ways my friend.
But if war has already been initiated by China in the spratleys. The us isnt going to intervene against China.
North Korea sank a South korea destroyer out in the open, shelled a south korea island and no response from anyone whatsoever. The world will be silent when ur ship is sunk by China. Except you Smash crying a river.
But Tienfei, isn’t that so stupid to announce to the whole world that you will target Philippine ships who has one frigate and no fighter planes? We are looking at this from the outside seeing the spat between the Philippines and China. Why don’t you threaten someone like your size like Japan or even Taiwan? PLAN will probably gets its spanking. Why, are you afraid that Philippines is now protected by P3 Orions and nuclear subs by the US Navy that is why PLAN Navy is provoking the Philippines to put up their dukes? Or is it just plain insecurity. The US Senate Armed Services Committee will not meet to discuss about the Philippine security for nothing right?
There is a special relationship between the Philippines and United States besides the Philippine Islands being part of the US for almost 50 years. That you cannot remove.
China routinely passes warships between Japanese islands where american forces are stationed. It crossed the the Diaoyutai and the strait between Hokkaido and the mainland. It doesnt matter who China fights, no one is going to stop them. us isnt going to risk getting their cities smashed over the Philippines.
Innocent passage is a right the US and most of the world supports. Passing though a strait in peace time is not a demonstration of strength.
No one is barred from behaving this way, but moving warships through oceans such as these is very much an intentional as a show of strength. When american warships were operating off the coast of the Philippines its sonar array was destroyed by a Chinese submarine.
China knows for the fact that they won’t board Philippines ships plying in its waters within their EEZ knowing that they themselves won’t allow Impeccable to be within 80 km from China’s shores. Do you think the Philippine Navy will allow CMS to do what it wants within their EEZ? PLAN is wishful thinking showing the whole world how to bully a small country. Very bad image to be the bully of your neighborhood.
Here comes a really dumb comment ——–> Sams “blah,blah,blah” “I hate you all for being rite” “Your all dumb” “I know everything” “I love China,even though I’m scared to live there” “blah,blah,blah” “I hate you Pyro,you racist hypocrite” “blah,blah,blah”
This guy cracks me up lol
rofl congratz pyro, i leveled up your self-consciousness, should thank me.
You are all that, that’s true for once.
Clowns like pyro come here put up a show like this representing what losers are like, who wouldn’t refuse??
@ Pyro today, how do you wash the dishes, when you return to the philipine? are you still working at kfc fast food in America? or have changed jobs? pyro home remember you in philipine? do not work in America for too long, oh yes … grandmother had a banana shipment you receive or not …. grandmother had sent a week
SamS: any rational person here would conclude that your the biggest clown on this site. You smash anyone who doesnt agree with your warped chicom biased opinion. I await your typical response that im a hater etc etc, your a joke my friend.
rofl another chinked out lapdog. I love to piss off garbage like you.
That was cup full of tear btw smash, keep this up u need to bring ur own cups.
Great comeback Sam lol You need to calm down buddy,life is too short,to be angry all of the time.
@ Gloria……..I’m pretty sure I’m Hungarian and German but I like Philippino woman. Looks like Sam got his woman to post here too.
Great sarcasm pyro, equipped with hypocrisy and sarcasm i have no doubt in your ability to woo a woman. Just don’t let them discover you are full of shit inside. Friendly advice.
Amerika cannot help the Philippines or anyone else.
This is what the recession in Amerika has brought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RomJRkps9I
if china become the most powerfull country,the world wiil be full of scrap..there wiil be no standards in every product
Hey Tienfei
You guys claim a territory 400+nautical miles away from you on basis of ancient map that you said contains the scarborough shoal? well guess what. Philippines has an ancient map of the world without China on it? what can you say?
It all boils down to respect. If you think that I can claim a part of your land 2feet away form your door and is 15feet away from my door and you say its OK. then dude. you must have your brain checked. Simple sea laws that are ignored shows how ignorant a country is. no matter how big or small they are. and that’s a fact.
You guys have no map. Its not ancient, it dates back to the middle ages. Chinese navies had been operating in that area since then, hence the documentation.
Very lame dude.. Documented you say?? Then why is it that china does not want to talk about it on a foreign legal body?? How can you say they have no maps?? Do a bit research dude. Well outside your countries restrictions and you will see difrent things.
400+ nautical miles and still yours?? You guys need a psychologist and cartographers. Geez. Just respect your neighbors.
Of course there are no maps from the Philippine side except for those during the spanish colonial era. Maps by the Chinese about the region predate those by hundreds of years.
what happens, when the American bond speculation by tools made in china,
destroyed the value of American bonds, so do the grand sale china, domino effect will occur, bondholders American countries will follow-up sale, for fear of receiving harm, the result will shock the American economy, the world economy will be devastated.
2. American people will suffer severe, occurred blasting unemployment in America, and in the western world
3. effects may then be U.S. $ ass tissiu paper, possibly, riots everywhere throughout the country especially in the western world, which was also destroyed its economy.
china was not good enough to do such a thing, even though the press by the United States. due to the rise of china purpose is not to rule the world, but for the welfare of the country in the world, without any conditions, as did the western world, due to the more prosperous, then on its own human rights will improve by itself, without having to be forced kind of wish the western world,
china does not want the rights of other countries, china just want what is supposed to be his remains hers without conditions,
evidence, the American economic difficulties, China is still helping american, united by buying junk bonds and china remains the largest holder of junk bonds american
should not, blame the yuan china, the united nations economic mismanagement, as the cause of the destruction of the American economy
A. war in Afghanistan for many years
2. have not finished the war, had made war with Iraq again, and lasted for many years anyway, then in Libya, the American people should be aware, do not ever want another war with any country, finish everything in a peaceful elegance. not by gunpowder and not by precious blood of young Americans.
you certainly know the cost of war is very large, the economy collapsed because the Soviet Union just pay for the war in Afghanistan in many years, and now Americans followed the Soviet Union
then why china is often abused, but always want to choose the way of peace is not war in the affairs of their disputes, not because china afraid of war, because China knows, the cost of the war was really great, could undermine any strong economy, for example, American, Soviet Union, so it’s better if the fee is used to strengthen the country’s economic
just look here american china wants to turn the war with the Philippines and Vietnam, with the goal of keeping its economy prospers by war. there is a balance to the American economy and china, all arms sales to the Philippines and around the china, the goal is clear for U.S. income
“It all boils down to respect. If you think that I can claim a part of your land 2feet away form your door and is 15feet away from my door and you say its OK. then dude. you must have your brain checked. Simple sea laws that are ignored shows how ignorant a country is. no matter how big or small they are. and that’s a fact.”
I agree,100%
Thats got nothing to do with it. Its not 2 feet away or even 15 feet. No one is going to miss it.
Without make it official, the U.S navy is already claiming 2 feet away of Chinese shore as it’s own territorial waters for decades, sailing carrier battle groups in and out at will. Would U.S invade iraq or afgan if they are the size of Russia? Typical example of using “respect”, “law” simply at times of convenience.
Its just an argument they are trying to fall back on. Simply it just comes down power. Like previous episodes, when China attacked one of their allies, us would just have to sit back and watch.
The US and Philippine use of the sea is in compliance with UNCLOS which China has ratified.
Chinese claims to Scarbough Shoal and virtually the entire South China Sea are not in compliance with UNCLOS.
I dont think UNCLOS is relevant to sovereignty claims. Its only relevant when no previous claims exist.
UNCLOS says sovereignty claims cannot be based on bits of land that don’t support human habitation.
UNCLOS is not relevant to previous sovereignty claims. Its only relevant when previous claims were non-existent and thus disputes are decided based on the distance between differing mainlands.
In addition the UNCLOS was only ratified in parts. Both China and the Philippines refused to ratify all parts of UNCLOS that was not in their nation’s interests.
Would China harass The philippines,if they were the size of Russia? Yeah,that’s what I thought!
Yea. Because China has.
Philippines have opened up an elementary school in one of the Spratly islands. Why would China declare that it is part of their new city when Tagalog is the medium and Philippine national anthem is sung? That is kind of dumb trying to steal a town from a country who has had a population there for the last 50 years.
What is worse is to sell tracts within the EEZ of Vietnam.
Do you think the whole world is not watching you? Germany’s, Italy’s and Japan’s leadership were all hanged after the world war for atrocities by the free world. Communist China’s won’t be different.
Cut the crap. China would be the one doing the hanging.
Only if you win. Against the US, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, India, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Vietnam, etc. Should I continue? These countries would like to find an excuse to be debt free right?
China would massacre these countries right off the map. With that foreknowledge, they would just sit back and watch China do whatever they want.
@John Brown
Japan’s export are down by 13% this year, and same with every other country. Their only hope, Chinese economy to continue grow and keep their own economy flowing, said by their finance minister.
Every of those country you mentioned have their excuse to avoid war with China as much as possible. Russia would not dare declare war on Germany if Hitler didn’t invade them first. If China just take island from Philippine by force today, you would see 99% of the countries you mentioned condemn the action on paper and do nothing because they just don’t care, period.
@John Brown
also, sorry to shatter your little dirty dream bro. I have yet to see a person who is in debt and the solution is to go burn the bank. What you said actually shows how hateful and war mongering you are not the other way around.
Aren’t we heading that way? Communist China vs. the free world? War mongering? Haven’t you just butted heads with Japan, South Korea, Philippines and Vietnam?
Australian news just tweeted me that your warship 560 just ran aground less that 71 kilometers from the Philippine island of Palawan. You just got caught again trying to steal Philippines’ island Half moon shoal? Come on, the whole world knows how evil you guys are!
Not that I know of. China is the largest trade partner in all of Asia and Australia. So there is active cooperation. But even without trade, just saying, no one is going to come and die for you.
@John Brown lol communist vs free world? Stop kidding yourself, your so called “free world” have been spiraling down hill for the past decade and the people everywhere have chose to elect their leaders more socialist and communist than China than ever before. Liberal socialist party in Australia, Obama in U.S, liberal in Spain, a liberal david cameron disguised as a “conservative”, the list goes on and on all focused on socialism, redistribution of wealth, big government communist programs.
Again, I support China taking all ur resouces you won’t develop anyway. Your just a cry baby that is desperate and full of naive ideology. What has philiphine got to under the so called guardianship of the U.S? No where, still one the of shameful failed state of the world.
That is very true. Communism and socialism does not work. Freedom is the way to go which you don’t have.
You have to open your eyes wider to see who is hot on your trail as far as economic boom is concerned. Philippines is a creditor nation just like China. they even have a better debt to GDP ratio than most Asian countries including Japan and Singapore. Your boycott of tourism and bananas does not make a dent which means they are not dependent on China.
HAHA…laughable. Of course it works. And Im not quite sure how anyone is hot on China’s trail.
You know how EU is failing with all its socialist government right? Even Obama’s left leaning government have failed.
Why do you think China kicked out the Al-jazeera journalist who are doing documentaries exposing the ills of your reclusive government? Open your eyes and you will see in You Tube how a walking time bomb is China. China’s GDP is leading the world but you have hundreds of thousands of buildings that are empty and rotting although brand new but are built to keep a false GDP high. OPEN YOUR EYES!
Sure there are empty towns and empty buildings but with whose money? yours!! They pouring them in loser.
Your blah blah blah using youtube references is a joke. China has fully developed the coastal provinces in the past 20 years and the next 2 decades are the decades of developing inland provinces at similar speed. Those empty towns and buildings are built in inland areas in anticipation of the eventual economic boom in those areas. Sure people havn’t moved in yet because they those undeveloped places unappealing but it’s an inevitability that those places to eventually become developed cities and towns.
Your generic western propanda BS floating around youtube can’t fool anyone here John Brown.
Thats because Al Jazeera was susceptible to american influence. They are the closest thing to a free media in the Middle East, but that also meant that they were willing to print stories based on cash allowances. Whatever buildings China doesnt sell is irrelevant. That an internal issue. Whether those buildings are or arent sold. Its not a foreign debt.
What has China done,that makes you think they would be as strong as Germany or Japan ever was?
China is the largest economy in the world. On any given year, its total industrial output is more than the following five countries put together.
Arguing in favor of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan now? just to prove your hate toward China? what a whore pyro.
Homes for $300,000? are you kidding me. that is even expensive by US standards.
They are not even single family residential, they are condos.
The price tag of anything brand new means nothing. They will come down if investors starting to lose money. Apparently most of them have owners already. And it comes down what I said before – unappealing and yet still relatively underdeveloped Eastern provinces, but they will become full blooming towns in the next 2 decades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm7rOKT151Y&feature=related
Here is a sampler. There are more.
Whatever comfort you buddy, anyone who says tomorrow is death of china is ur best friend.
Japan had its real state bubble much worse than China right inside cities where people actually want to live. If the rich have money to burn building cities in remote areas why not. It’s beyond ur wildest dream that only china has the industrial strength for rapid expansion.
Death to China is not my friend, change of government to a freedom loving society would be nice. I think some of the inner leadership is advocating to switch away from Communism and dictatorial government. Then China will surely rise and take up the top leadership in the world. I don’t mind that.
Dont kid yourself. Much of the credit would have to be given to the Chinese Communist party. China would still have an assertive foreign policy regardless of its government. Taiwan also claims Scarborough since they intend to inherit everything that is a part of China.
“Taipei, May 13 (CNA) Taiwan should develop a long-term strategic plan to deal with ongoing territorial disputes over the South China Sea and cooperate with China to share natural resources in the area, Taiwanese scholar”
“Taiwan enters shoal dispute, calls PHL claim ‘illegal’ while silent on China
BY ANDREO CALONZO, GMA NEWS May 2, 2012 1:59pm”
You know for a fact that without the US using China as its sweatshop the last 30 years you wont be anything. Communism does not know how to innovate, it just steals!
Nobody listens to Taiwan for now because it is just reactionary to whatever China does. It makes itself a shadow of China and that’s about it.
China is very innovative. Most patents since 2011. Very few even use american brands let alone made in america.
China is also the world’s largest creditor
Rank Country/monetary authority Foreign exchange reserves
(Millions of US$) Figures as of
1 People’s Republic of China
3,240,010 Jun 2012[1]
2 Japan 1,277,716 May 2012[2]
Eurosystem
(EU member states which have adopted the euro, incl. ECB) 862,900 May 2012[2]
3 Saudi Arabia 592,358 May 2012[3]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Country_foreign_exchange_reserves_minus_external_debt.png
Most patents,that’s a joke….Just copies of other innovation,without the quality!
When a country runs itself dry it starts to rely on other country. Seems most of the world is that way about China. Without the allied country making U.S their sweatshop 100 years ago. U.S wouldn’t ascend to superpower status that quick either.
Keep ur flawed arguments to yourself, john brown.
100% Agree with you! China isn’t innovative,they just steal and copy stuff that their 10 year old kids make for other countries!
“(Reuters) – China became the world’s top patent filer in 2011, surpassing the United States and Japan as it steps up innovation to improve its intellectual property rights track record, a Thomson Reuters research report showed on Wednesday”.
China is one of the largest patent filers if not the largest in the world.
Its not a question whether or not to purchase american made. I dont even purchase american brands.
If you buy Chinese,it was made in another country first,so technicly,your not buying Chinese made!
I stay away from Chinese made myself,don’t want to get sick from all of the chemicals and such,they put into their products! Hows that baby formula doing these days in China?
I think the reverse is true. That when you are buying anything, its most likely Chinese made. Buying a Chinese brand not only means its made in China, its also purchased from a Chinese based company.
All the commenters on this website sound like immature 14 year old teenagers, ….you should all move out of your parent’s house and grow up and go get a life.
Why 14? Glad you feel good about yourself turning 14 and half.
Don’t mind Sams,he’s like a teenage girl,he always has to have the last word!
@ John brown, there is little expression of a single behavior that is not obsolete, because no one even widows in philipine girl who wants to be the wife of the single decays, as my own reflection, it turns out I have more than 50 years, at the eve bolster pillow that was just there for me, as I need the warmth of a woman, just a mere dream that I got, when I need sex, masturbation can only do while I imagine women every night, what a cold every night, without the arms of a woman, really embarrassing to be the number one but only his own life alone, without a wife, let alone children, are still more fortunate young president of north korea and had many beautiful women at his side
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The post to John Brown from me,was not me,someone is using my name! Kind of lame this site lets people use the same name!
I knew it wasn’t you. the sentence construction and usage of the words were wrong. Got to be from Northwest of South China Sea,
@ John Brown
courtesan slut don’t want to be his wife,
how can get Widow, how can get especially girl , his age now was 52 years old
his all friend was married and was have the funny children , and his till now only single old man , no married , no have the children , no have offspring , every night sleep is cold , no women his side, his can do it masturbation only , whisk dick while daydreaming a woman
73 Chinese firms are Fortune 500 companies. Yeah who to copy and steal from if you are already at the top? Ienovo IBM is based in China and its CEO gave his $3 million bonus to all junior level employee instead of hording all the outrageous golden parachute like all U.S executives.
Another day of wild pyro accusations, btw the baby formula company CEO got life in prison sentence, if not death penalty. Whether you look for the “made in china” tag exist or not, part it came will always come from china. Keep your hypocritical life going.
Well IBM computers was already the #1 laptop in the world. It was just sold to Lenovo because they concentrated on software rather than consumer hardware. You didn’t start from zero to # 1. They were already on top.
ibm was suffering losses from its computer sales. They then sold the right the use the ibm logo to China for an x amount of years.
“Lenovo Making Crazy Money, Decides to Drop IBM Logo Early
After tripling its earnings in the most recent quarter to $105.26 million, Lenovo has decided that it doesn’t need any stinking IBM logo on its products from here on out. As a result of their success, the decision has come 2 years earlier than planned. [CNET]“
Tienfei, do you know why your country got damn rich overnight? Because you condone unfair labor and trade practices that’s why international corporations set up shop in your backyard. Not that you know how to do business. What you do best is steal other people’s idea, money, and work.